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August 22, 2006

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Craig

Doc,
I own a shoe store and half of our business is referrals from podiatrists and PT's. Most of them want their patients in motion control and stability shoes. Why is there such a disparity in your logic and theirs? I trail run and always run on the balls of my feet and have no problems. My wife is having knee pain and the PT told her to read your article. It has helped so far. But, I still question why the medical community is so far apart.

Laura

hey, thanks so much for this article. i'm actually working on a persuasive paper for a class and i'm taking the direction of how technological advancements are harmful sometimes and the effects of shoes on our feet is one of my points. i was thrilled to find an article like this one that took almost the exact direction i had in mind.

this totally explains why i feel so much better after running 24 100ms on the football field in track practice than running 16 in my shoes on our brand-new rubberized track.

i have recently bene developing some minor injuries all along my lower body, so my next pair of shoes, i will look for a flatter one. thanks.

DaeJa Napier

I don't know how to find information posted about others that have injured their knees from wearing Masai shoes. Do you have any information or suggestions concerning this?

Thank you,

DaeJa Napier

steven robbins

The figures related to injury incidence Marti gave were corrected for age, gender, training mileage, previous injury and a host of other factors. No data are available that have ever related diet and training method to injury frequency. It seems to me that the only explanation available that can explain improved running times with highly competitive runners then and now is performance enhancing drugs. As far as the recreational runner is concerned, I am aware of no difference over time, except the current runner seems more skeptical about the claims regarding protection offered by athletic footwear manufacturers. Hence runners currently seem to take seriously even the first signs of injury, rather than running with injuries after purchasing new shoes.

Running Curmudgeon

A very intriguing article! Thanks for exposing the work of Robbins and Marti to a wide audience. You've certainly made a splash in the running blogosphere. I get the feeling that the number of runners who feel that they've been sold down the river by trend-focused shoe manufactuers is not insignificant. A review of this article's comments provides further anecdotal evidence that something is amiss with modern trainers and that those of us who have returned to more basic "flats" are seeing longstanding injury and gait problems resolved.

A couple of questions about the research:

1) Regarding the incidence of injury now and then, is it statistically appropriate to compare the populations of runners during the first boom to current runners? Age, sex, mileage, training methods and history, and diet are a few potential differences that come to mind.

2) How did Marti account for differences in his populations' mileage and history of injury?

Thanks for the informative and important article. And for the thorough bibliography!

AndyF

Danny Dreyer is right about needing a synthesis of shoe and technique. ChiRunning is an excellent technique for decreasing impact on the lower body. I'm glad to hear Danny agrees with you, Joe, on footwear.

Andy

Danny Dreyer

A friend sent me your blog about running shoes and I can whole heartedly agree. I have been teaching runners the mid-foot strike as a way of reducing leg injuries, for over 10 years now and the results are incredible. When I'm asked what shoes I can recommend for the technique I teach, I usually recommend that runners work on altering their running form to a mid-foot strike over a period of time until they can gradually "graduate" themselves to less and less of a shoe.

We are currently working with New Balance shoes to develop a shoe that specifically meets the needs of someone looking for a shoe WITHOUT a big cushioning heel. So, at least one shoe manufacturer is hip to the problem.

I would suggest a book to add to your reading list; ChiRunning: A Revolutionary Approach to Effortless, Injury-free Running.

It's a revolution that is begging to happen.

All the best,
Danny Dreyer

Cancer

I now understand why white children in Africa are always running around barefoot. It's healthy. The next step in emancipating children from the shoe should be to get floor polish banned, especially in big department stores. You never know how much carcinogenic materials go into its manufacture!

steven robbins

Hi Joe:

Just came across this blog. I can tell you a story about an orthopedic surgeon who was an avid recreational runner. He developed persistent plantar fasciitis, that did not respond to practices prevalent at that time - he thus was unable to treat himself. Rather than providing his patients with treatment methods in which he had no confidence, he turned to the scientific literature in hopes of discovering a better treatment. At about this time a series of scientific papers began appearing in sports medicine journals dealing with the bare foot during running, and potential hazards of modern footwear. This surgeon initiated a series of extended long-distance calls from his home (on an island paradise known for banks and millionaires), and my office in Montreal. It wasn’t long before I received ecstatic calls regarding the healing of his problems, and similar disorders in many others through application of a large dose of barefoot activity, along with firm racing flats (“buy last years models – they give them away and are no different than the current model except for color”). He never could understand why such simple and effective health related practices failed to alter shoes, or information coming from sources of information to athletes, such as magazines. I am, or course talking about you, Joe (excuse errors from my recall).

Finally things are changing. My solution to problems associated with thick layers of high resiliency shoe materials, was the use of low resiliency materials. A U.S. patent was awarded in 2002. Initially there was little interest shown in this by insole and running shoe makers. But much has changed – infringing on this patent (sometimes willingly) is in fashion. Most examples of “memory foam” insoles appear to fall under my patent, as does “memory foam” used in host of footwear from many (perhaps most) manufacturers. This infringement is being handled through the typical legal channels. There is now a high probability that footwear will become safer in terms of impact and balance. None of this replaces the benefit possible through barefoot activity, and the use of “minimalistic shoes”, as described in this blog.

Regards

Steve

Marc

Exellent article Doc! Many thanks for your insight.

Some questions/thoughts that immediately spring to mind after reading it are:

1) Is there a trade-off we have to take into consideration when running on unnatural man made hard surfaces no mater how correct good your running technique is? (ie: some forefoot cushioning in shoes)

2) Can we place any faith in orthopaedic surgeons who prescribe orthodontics for runners? If the theory of this essay is correct, it would imply that even the specialist might have an incorrect understanding on how the feet respond and deal with impact stress when applied to a sport such as running and also corrective prescription.

3) The implications that modern day running shoes are no good for you, weather in the short or long term, by simply not being at all effective in doing anything to either "re-educate" or strengthen any foot muscle weakness/imbalance, making our already Lazy feet muscles even lazier, impairing the bodies natural feet to brain sensory feedback system that has been given to us by natural evolution over many thousands of years is quite profound, especially to a runner. So bearing this in mind, where does the average Joe now turn to for the best advice?

I appreciate that the main things to sort out to reduce any risk of repetitive impact related injuries is to start off with learning how to run with the correct technique first and foremost, but it begs the question of how far does a modern day running shoe inhibit this process and why is this not front page news on all running sites/organizations etc across the globe?

To me, implications of this article is as shocking as hearing that the earth might actually be round instead of flat...(ok maybe not quite that shocking)

bud4wiser

The article proposes several interesting theories.

Unfortunately, this article is like so much popular "junk science." just because there is "some truth" in a statement, hardly means the statement is accurate or without any error.

There is no doubt that "high tech" footwear both contributes and diminishes the possibility of injury among runners. Similarly, running barefoot on modern surfaces is dangerous as well.

If runners train stupidly because they have purchased expensive shoes, perhaps we should remind them that fast-food will make them fat and that penis-enhancement drugs don't really work.

The rest of us don't need a doctor to tell us train smartly, and select running shoes carefully.


Ewa

Thank you for putting so eloquently what I've felt and believed ever since I started running. I've been running almost exclusively in Nike Free shoes and while they don't provide the true barefoot feeling I know my 49 year old feet and knees are much stronger than those of many 30 yo runners. After reading your article I am tempted to try racing flats.
Thank you for putting all this information together. I hope you don't mind I pass your blog to other runners. The more vocal we all become the more running shoe companies will listen.

TasterSpoon

Thought provoking. Drosser's comment begs a question in the back of my mind, though, which is, could the increased (or sustained) incidence of running-related injuries in recent years have something to do with how advancements in running shoes (to correct for flat feet, pronation, whatever) make running POSSIBLE for many who otherwise wouldn't be running at all?

Are problems necessarily the fault of the shoe, or might not the shoes just expand the field of participants to otherwise marginalized would-be athletes such that use injuries will also go up?

Ryley

This is a great article. I am a sophomore in highschool and have, over the course of a year, worked down from normal trainers, to lightweight trainers, to Nike Frees, to Nike Streak XC flats, to Puma H-street flats. I am currently running in the Puma H-streets and am thinking of the Vibram FiveFingers next. I had no idea about any of this information until the Nike Free came out, so at least Nike did something right. Another great article on this issue (along with others) is: https://tullyrunners.com/Articles/RaucciArticle.htm
It has been tough trying to convince brainwashed coaches and parents that I am not crazy and this article is a big help, especially when it is written by an orthopedic surgeon (what I someday hope to become).

EdBiew

link correction [without the full stop] re shoes / treadmill / fracture?
https://crazykmw.blogspot.com/2007/02/slug-no-more.html

EdBiew

Hi Everyone, one of my concerns is the possible link between shoes and stress fracture/s of the foot and/or ankle. Karen mentioned her experience of such a fracture at https://crazykmw.blogspot.com/2007/02/slug-no-more.html.
What's your opinion as to the role of the treadmill and/or has Anyone experienced a similar fracture whilst wearing a particular shoe design? warm thanks, EdBiew

Fred

I really enjoyed reading the article. I solved ALL my problems related to running injuries, by learning the 'Pose method of running' by Dr. Romanov, the shoes that he reccomends is minimalist like the Puma High Street or the Fivefingers.

Joe

Amazing article. I read it twice and passed it on.

Julie A

Loved the post on running shoes!

I'm a middle aged woman, my activity level varies from sedentary to low level activity. I golf regularly and walk once in awhile. I'm also a bit overweight so often found myself with an achy and tired lower back after a half hour or so.

Until I found MBTs.

https://www.swissmasai.com


Apparently these shoes were derived from the barefoot gait of the Masai tribe. I have 2 pair and wear them as often as I can. My back actually feels stronger and I no longer get the achiness and fatigue.

Anyway, check them out!

Thanks again,

peteopia

IN GENERAL
Besides a couple of details the general story is pretty sound, however I would not suggest people run barefoot on hard man made surfaces - pavements etc. You WILL damage yourself if you train extensively like this. A nice viewpoint is to apply logical thinking and think how humans evolved. We evolved running on soft (sand) and hard surfaces (dried compacted mud). so you can run on the pavement I hear you say.. well no. Even though you might not feel it, there is a lot of cushioning even on a dry mud surface when compared to concrete pavement. These fancy cushion style running shoes started life by trying to reintroduce some of this cushioning, but as usual man has taken it to the n'th degree, such that it is now detrimental as the article points out.

THE DETAILS
A couple of the facts in your story have been miss interpreted but as I said in general the message is pretty good, so don’t take this the wrong way. for instance the argument about people in third world countries not having problems and not wearing footwear is a bit of a leap of faith - you are assuming a correlation between two factors in a massively complex and multi-factorial system. there are MANY other POSSIBLE explanations. EG their cultures are such that they are less likely to admit pain and/or are more likely to put up with pain than have a major operation. This final point in also evident in Japan where rates of joint replacement in patients under 70 are extremely low when compared to European and the US. When you ask the patients/surgeons why, the answer is purely because they do not think it a good idea. In European and the US we have become so demanding, we expect to live longer and to be able to do the same things. If something breaks then it must be fixed – this is crazy culture and evident in the way we must sue someone for any action possible. If trip in the street we sue the government for make a poor foot path .. etc etc.

A GENERAL RANT
As for the marketing machine I agree totally and utterly, but that’s life. If you see anything just in our western world I’d be amazed. From cosmetics to cars to health care products.. they are all using the Freud’s psychology to make sure we buy buy buy! On a functional basis there are v few things that we need, but the world economy would stop if we didn’t buy a new car every three years, get that new phone, drink that health shake, little to say what our neighbours would think! Unfortunately we have chosen the wrong social model, and it’s going to take a long time for us to bounce back in the right direction! Pants I hear you say, well yes for most people, but just use your brain as the author of this article has done. Don’t believe everything you hear, and most of all come to your own conclusions.

PS I’m not saying become a hippy (heaven forbid) just educate yourself. Read about social science, body language, etc etc and it becomes pretty obvious that we can rectify some of these issues, on a personal level at least, then is a couple of generations we’ll be back on track :D

John

As a member of the Pose Method community and occasional barefooter, it was wonderful to read this article. Because of the frigid temps out here on the east coast, I have been running in the New Balance RC750 racing flat...yeah, training and racing in them. Can't wait for the warmer weather so I can kick off the shoes a few times a week.

Where to learn more?


I would also like to ask about the rigid orthopedic arch supports (you put them in your shoes like the Dr.Scholl's implants). I was given them because my arch supposedly does not support itself, but I never wore them because they were too uncomfortable (blisters etc). I'm not sure what this means in respect to the information presented. Can anyone shed some light on this?

So do you minimalist shoe wearers wear socks too? If so, what kind?

I'm also curious: What kind of shoes do the Olympics sprinters use?

Since I've never come in contact with this information before, I'm not sure where else I would ask these questions. Thanks.

Milt

I had to quit running due to permanent nerve damage in my left foot. Now, I mostly wear dress shoes with no cushioning and little arch support and I've noticed an improvement. I also recommend going barefoot as much as possible.

Lars Nielsen

Great article. I've been thinking along the same lines for the last couple of years. 2½ years ago I switched to really minimalistic shoes (Puma h-streets) and learned how to run in those. After 15 years of constantly recurring achilles-injuries, I haven't had an injury since, despite the fact that I've been training both longer and more intensive than before.

Duncan Domingue

I've had similar ideas about shoes for a long time. I've always been a fan of light, flat, and hard shoes like Converse All Stars and used them for everything. I even wore them when I skateboarded for six years, and I must say that my feet never hurt from being pounded on all day and I could feel the board much better than the when I wore "proper" skateboarding shoes for a brief period. I no longer skateboard, but still enjoy minimal shoes, and currently wear Chucks and kung fu shoes available at any martial arts store. At $6 a pair, you really can't beat the kung fu shoe.

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